For the archives: The proposed module Date::MySQL was renamed MySQL::DateFormat and is available on CPAN. Information on it is also available at http://www.tonkinresolutions.com/software/perl/MySQL/DateFormat (The first big flurry of activity on datetime@perl.org since this thread happened[!] drove some people to want to take a look at this work. I saw this when I began to see a lot of 404s on my webserver from folk looking under the old proposed nomenclature. I've put in some RedirectMatch statements but wanted to get this into the archives.) - nick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nick Tonkin {|8^)>