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[...] >>Should it really? I mean: is the time right for that now? >> >> > >Let's ask the other way round: Is this the time for only one >implementation? And who decides that it's the one based on parrot? > >What happens if parrot turns out to be a dead end? (very unlikely, but >possible). > > Let's give some $$$ to say 3 implementations, see what they come up in a month. Lets mupltiply their 1/CPU-time with #of tests passed :), and the winner gets the rest of the money. >>It's really hard to define what the community wants: noone can speak on >>behalf of the whole community (and the community has many ideas about >>things :)) However, and strongly IMHO, what most Perl users want is very >>simple: to have a not-too-slow Perl6 implementation that runs most of >>the current Perl6 specification - without too much bugs. >> >> > >I also think that many perl people also want a good Perl 6 specification. > > I agree. On the other hand, I would be very happy if current implementations could pass 25% of the current specification. >And different implementations help to explore different part of the specs. >That also helps rakudo, if the specs are well covered by other >implementations and are therfore much stable and really implementable. > > How about sponsoring some implementations, but give "special attention" to the most promising one? >If you argue that most people want an implemenation that covers large >parts of the specs, the most logical step would be to boost pugs >development. It's the most advanced implementation by far. >And I do believe that it can be sped up if you really want that. > > I don't know Haskell and the structure of Pugs so I cannot comment on that - however, I have some doubts. And speed *is* important: I don't think we can expect people to start using Perl6 if it runs even 2x slower than Perl5. If Pugs was really up-to-date (I mean: feature complete), only slow, I would probably use it to learn Perl6, because Perl6 is just lovely. I would not build something on it, though. >So where's that pro parrot bias coming from? > > IMHO people like the idea of Parrot. It just.. makes sense. It's been around for quite a while. There are releases every month or so. There is a mod_parrot. These things. >>Surely it is very nice to have many implementations (we have seen how >>much helpful the Pugs project was to help Perl6, for example), but could >>that happen (or: be sponsored) *after* we have *one* that is fairly >>complete?? After some time, one imlementations will emerge and become >>*the* implementations anyway. >> >> > >Oh will it? Just like we have one C implementation? Or one Forth >implementation? Or one Lisp implementation? > > Can we add PHP and Perl5 to the list? ;) >>What I would like to add is that IMHO this time implementators should be >>sponsored. That is: those who hack and those who answer their questions >>on how to hack. :) >> >> > >Aye. >And perhaps the ones who write the specs, if they want/need it. > > I meant that, too. >>I also think that different Perl groups all around the world could be >>responsive. Let's contact the gazillion perl lists and say: "...if you >>like Perl, please give $10 to the \"Let's have Perl6 now!\" foundation!" >>I would, and I will personally send anyone to /dev/null who would not! :) >> >> > >I don't know if that's a good idea - sadly many of them have the >perception that Perl 6 is vapour ware. > > I guess I have more trust in people than you do. :) I know that the company I work for would never give a dime to any foundations, but I would. And I *own* that company :) That's because a company is always a business, but a person can be an enthusiast. Anyway: I don't know anything about fundraising, so maybe I shouldn't say a thing... I just say it might worth a try. People would help to convince other people. Once again: I would. >My idea would be to ask big companies that use perl (for example amazon) >if they would sponsor some of the development. > >Are there other organisations that routinely sponsor open source software? > > Can't we just go to Google and say we will use Yahoo if they don't give us some money? :) And if they don't, we tell everyone! ;) How about just looking at the sponsor logo-s on the webpages of different OS conferences? There should be plenty, and could give some ideas. (But there really should be something you can *show* to them. I mean at least *one* webpage on Perl6 which is not outdated :) ) YAPC organizers should have some ideas, too. - FagzalThread Previous | Thread Next