Simon Cozens makes a good point in response to my slightly overamped oration on the qualities of dissent. I am seeing most of the current discussion on this list as being brainstorming on details, not painting the vast new blue skies, and that is as it should be. Acknowledging that making changes involves tradeoffs is an important part of that. We are ultimately dealing with the fact that the working subset of commonly shared non-alphanumeric keys on keyboards is somewhat limited (where IS that darn Compose key anyway!). This isn't so bad; the constrained set avoids APLism, and as many may know, that way lies madness! http://www.chilton.com/~jimw/keyboard.html And so there's a bit of a three-dimensional Rubik's Cube game here to try and rejigger the use of the keyboard to make the language more efficient and productive and maybe even clean out some of the accumulated crud out there. Onward. I resume my stance as interested layman... Fred