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From:
Reini Urban
Date:
July 23, 2010 05:36
Subject:
Re: Directions of perl 5 development - requests from companies
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2010/7/22 Will Coleda <will@coleda.com>:
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
> <avarab@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 16:49, Reini Urban <rurban@x-ray.at> wrote:
>>> http://www.perlfoundation.org/grants still does not list it.
>> It's under "Unmanaged Grants", what does that status mean exactly?
>
> I just had Alberto add it to the list after reading Reini's email: it
> wasn't there a few hours ago - most TPF grants that are funded out of
> the... common pool, for lack of a better term, have grant managers who
> report back on the status of the grant to the committee. (Helps track
> out when $$ should be disbursed.)
>
> The money to fund Reini's grant was donated for the specific purpose
> of his grant and so, I think doesn't fall under the normal rules of
> the committee (hence no manager.)

Thanks for explanation.

The motivation for my grant proposal was of course not the money, as 1000.-
is a joke for everyone who is not a student anymore. It was more like
a test how the
TPF treats this project, as p5p threw it out of core with 5.9.4, and hence it
lost all the support, background and infrastructure.

Getting a "special" grant without any mention also smelled fishy.

Additional API breakage and removing more and more core support for the compiler
without further explanation hinders maintenance enormously,
e.g.
- CPAN #28912 removal of important exports Perl_pad_alloc,
Perl_fold_constants, Perl_cv_clone
  (No Nick, I didn't break it. So why do I have to fix it? It was
never properly documented, most of  internals are not documented at
all. Removal broke thinks, even if it only broke windows initially,
basta)
- destroy overrides for statically allocated strings do not work anymore, ...
but such a stupid breakage as Marc Lehmanns Guard led to withdrawal of an
useful core feature.
  http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2010-01/msg00365.html
He just need to add two lines, and refused.
I needed to hack around for 2 weeks and I still have to support that
now unsupported
API mess for all future changes.
Just incredibly demotivating.

The compiler works, is used, is useful for companies, being faster and
to close source (hence avoiding support questions). Hey, even my own
big three letter company uses it as I heard,
and they don't even know that the guy who is maintaining it, sits just
three buildings away.
-- 
Reini

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